Zeteo’s Weekly update

Review for Sunday August 27, 2017

Sunday May 14 we discussed the last parts of The Last Discourse 16:16-17:26

Text below from John is the translation by Raymond E. Brown, John I-XII (The Anchor Yale Bible) .

Map of New Testament Israel:  http://www.bible-history.com/geography/ancient-israel/israel-first-century.html

Maps of Jerusalem at the time of Jesus and at the Siege of 70 CE: http://www.jesus-story.net/maps_jesus.htm



  1. Sorrow Will Turn into Joy

Jesus’ return will bring the disciples joy and understanding

16 “In a little while you will not see me any more,
and then again in a little while you will see me.” 

17 At this time some of his disciples remarked to one another, “What does this mean? He tells us, ‘A little while, and you will not see me, and then again in a little while you will see me’; he also says, ‘Because I am going to the Father’” 18 So they kept wondering, “What is this ‘little while’ [of which he speaks]? We don’t understand [what he is talking about].” 19 Knowing that they wanted to question him, Jesus spoke to them, “You are asking yourselves about my saying, ‘In a little while you will not see me, and then  again in a little while you will see me’? 

20 Truly I assure you [Amen amen],
you will go into mourning
while the world will rejoice;
you will be sad
but your sadness will be turned into joy. 
21 When a woman is in labor, she is sad,
that her hour has come.
But once the baby is born,
her joy makes her forget the suffering,
because a child has been born into the world. 
22 So it is with you too–you are sad now;
but I shall see you again,
and your hearts will rejoice
with a joy that no one can take from you. 
23 And on that day you will have no more questions to put to me.

Truly I assure you [Amen amen],
if you ask anything of the Father,
he will give it to you in my name.
24 Until now you have asked nothing in my name.
Ask and you shall receive
that your joy may be full.

     I have overcome the world

I have said this to you in figures of speech.

An hour is coming
when I shall no longer speak to you in figures
shall tell you about the Father in plain speech. 
26 On that day you will ask in my name,
and I do not say that I shall have to petition the Father for you.
27 For the Father loves you Himself
because you have loved me
and have believed that I came forth from God.
28 [I came forth from the Father]
and I have come into the world.
Now I am leaving the world
and I am going back to the Father.”

29   ”There,” his disciples exclaimed, “at last you are speaking plainly, without figures of speech! 30 Now we know that you know everything—you do not need that a person ask you questions. Because of this we believe that you came forth from God.” 31 Jesus answered them,

“So now you believe? 
32 Why, an hour is coming—indeed has already come–
for you to be scattered, each on his own,
leaving me all alone.
Yet I am never alone
because the Father is with me. 
33 I have said this to you
so that in me you may find peace.
In the world you find suffering,
but have courage;
I have conquered the world.”’

17 – his disciples remarked – the first time they have spoken since Judas (not Iscariot) gave voice to his confusion 14:22; thus ends the longest monologue in Gospel.
19 – knowing – Jesus’ supernatural intuitive power
20 – sad – Jesus’ messianic anguish
21 – a child – lit.a human being (anthropos) has been born into the world – creation, or recalling Jesus entry into creaztion
28 – from the Father – the incarnation, not Trinitarian procession of the Son
29 – at last – Jesus speaks the more plainly the closer the hour

What will happen when the hour comes-“on that day”?

16-23a – the disciles will see Jesus again and
20-22 – the disciples will experience lasting joy
23a – experience knowledge
23b-28 promises of
23b – the granting of their petitions to understand Jesus plainly
15 – knowledge

Heart and Head?

  1. Jesus Prays for Glory

Jesus, having completed his work, prays for glory

17:1 After these words, Jesus looked up to heaven and said,

“Father, the hour has come:
glorify your Son
that the Son may glorify you–
Inasmuch as you granted him power over all men
that he might grant eternal life to all that you have given him.”

And eternal life consists in this: that they know you, the one true God, and Jesus Christ, the one whom you sent. 

4   ”I glorified you on earth
by finishing the work that you gave me to do:
so now, glorify me, Father, in your presence
with that glory which I had with you before the world existed.

I revealed your name to the men
whom you gave me out of the world.
They were yours, and you gave them to me,
and they have kept your word. 
Now they have come to know
that from you has come everything you have given to me.
For the words that you gave to me
I have given to them,
and they accepted them.
And they knew in truth
that I came from you,
and they believed
that you sent me.” 

The most majestic moments in the Fourth Gospel. The prayer seems to be an independent composition, maybe by the same circle as the Prologue.

Or it may have been composed for a liturgical setting. Ch 17 seems to have the function of the hymn sung after the Lord’s Prayer in Mark.

“This is more of a prayer of the union or communion of the Son and the Father than a prayer of petition. This prayer is said aloud before the disciples precisely so that they may share this union (21-23).

1-4   Introduction
5-6   Transition – kai nyn – “so now”verse
7-12  First part – nyn “now” – ”Before the world existed”
13-23 – Second part: nyn “now” – pronouncement (7-8), petition (15),
a reference both to glory (10 and to unity (11)
24:    Transition: “before the creation of the world”
15-16     Conclusion “O Father most just”; “I revealed your name”
58. Jesus Prays for His Disciples

Jesus prays for those whom the Father has given him

9 “It is on their behalf that I pray;
I do not pray for the world
but for those whom you have given me,
since they really belong to you 
10 (just as all that is mine is yours
and all that is yours is mine),
and it is in them that I have been glorified.
11 I am no longer in the world;
but while I am coming to you,
they are still in the world,
O Father most Holy,
keep them safe with your name which you have given to me
[that they may be one, just as we]
12 As long as I was with them,
I kept them safe in your name which you have given to me.
I kept watch and not one of them perished,
except the one destined to perish–
in order to have the Scripture fulfilled. 
13 But now I am coming to you.
Yet, while still in the world
[any more than I belong in the world],
I am not asking you to take them out of the world
but to keep them safe from the Evil One.
]16 They do not belong to the world,
any more than I belong to the world. 
17 Consecrate them in the truth–
‘Your word is truth’;
18 For as you sent me into the world,
so I sent them into the world. 
19 And it is for them that I consecrate myself,
in order that they too may be consecrated in truth.

  1. Jesus Prays for the Disciples’ Disciples

Jesus prays for those who believe through the discipled’ word

20 “Yet it is not for those alone that I pray
but also for those who believe in me through their word, 
21 that they all may be one,
just as you, Father, in me and I in you,
that they also may be [one] in us,
 So have I even given to them the glory which you have given me,

that they may be one,
just as we are one, 23 I in them and you in me,
that they may be brought to completion as one.
Thus the world may know that you sent me
and that you loved them even as you loved me. 
24 Father, they are your gift to me
and where I am, I wish
them also to be with me,
that they may see my glory which you have given me
because you loved me before the creation of the world.
25 O Father, most just,
while the world did not know you
(though I knew you),
these men came to know that you sent me. 
26 And to them I made known your name;
and I will continue to make it known
so that the love you had for me may be in them
and I may be in them.”



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